The Nektar Project Forum : Early RTF http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; The Nektar Project Forum : Nektar Recordings of Independent Origin : Early RTF Copyright (c) 2006-2011 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:40:28 +0000 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:46:31 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.03 360 www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=157 The Nektar Project Forum http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums_black.png http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/ Early RTF : zzyes wrote:Where... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1197&title=early-rtf#1197 Author: MickBee
Subject: 157
Posted: Oct/21/2013 at 17:46

Originally posted by zzyes zzyes wrote:

Where can I get a copy of We Are The Ocean? I am a Nektarholic 

AFAIK you can't ZZ, as all early recordings are now archived totally offline (for obvious reasons, especially theze daze). 
Sometime down the road, a climate surrounding "official release" of all decent live recordings may become possible, however not under the present circumstances.
Some concerts (which were copied ONCE in the 1980s) have already been abused/used or copied without accountability to (or permission from) the original Nektar owners... such is the digital world.
It's unnecessarily complicated, as I'd LOVE to send you a copy.... but that wouldn't be fair to others.   It's also the reason that there were no further "Light Show Tape" CDs like "Door to the Future", as many previously unreleased tracks could have been included in every Nektar LST compilation. 
One of my ideas was to do a "Tab related" LST release which would have included early live versions of Tab,  We are the Ocean, Desolation Valley, Waves etc. with earlier arrangments and alternate or no vocals, however Cleopatra has just added this idea to their latest re-re-re-release of Tab, which has BOTH Tab album mixes PLUS those same tracks live from 1971.... but instead of "We are the Ocean", Roye added a fourth rendition of Desolation Valley.... from 1973. 
The new Cleo release of Tab is still a very good deal for fans tho', see...
http://www.amazon.com/Tab-Ocean-Nektar/dp/B00CWHJT0Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1383136752&sr=1-2&keywords=nektar for details.

]]> Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:46:31 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1197&title=early-rtf#1197 Early RTF : Where can I get a copy of We Are... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1132&title=early-rtf#1132 Author: zzyes
Subject: 157
Posted: Jun/18/2013 at 18:57

Where can I get a copy of We Are The Ocean? I am a Nektarholic ]]> Tue, 18 Jun 2013 18:57:22 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1132&title=early-rtf#1132 Early RTF : Oops sorry, missed that... It's... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1063&title=early-rtf#1063 Author: jerry1970
Subject: 157
Posted: Jan/20/2013 at 17:17

Oops sorry, missed that... It's setlist.fm, "the setlist wiki".

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:17:02 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1063&title=early-rtf#1063 Early RTF : JerryWhat is that setlist.com? ... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1049&title=early-rtf#1049 Author: Wayne
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/30/2012 at 15:33

Jerry

What is that setlist.com?
]]> Sun, 30 Dec 2012 15:33:07 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1049&title=early-rtf#1049 Early RTF : I havewell over a thousandNektar... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1048&title=early-rtf#1048 Author: MickBee
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 19:26

I have well over a thousand Nektar gigs listed in my 1969-2012 chronology, and I have noticed that sometimes the dates on USA bootlegged CDs differ.. especially when written by an American. DAY/MONTH/YEAR is the standard except here in the USA.. where they insist on Month/Day/Year.
I merely list my recorded shows by Year/Month/Day to maintain the archive in numerical order.
   Anyhoo... only ONE LGG show.. 15th May 1971. (1971-05-15) I have an original copy, verified by my diary entry on that same date... with an abbreviated setlist... here's how my diary setlist reads:-
Drop, I am, 1-4, DyBiM. Then Opera & Help Me to finish.
We played ONE long set, the police were called to stop more people trying to enter the small Ludwig George Gymnasium in Darmstadt, where the capacity was only 1300.. and already FULL.
"Lonely Roads" wasn't listed, but neither were the other jams or other (later) titles on that night.
"Drop" became "Tab", "I am" became "We are the Ocean" and "Help Me" =  "New Day Dawning".
It looks like you have the correct playing order, and some very early versions of Nektar songs.
BTW, This gig also pre-dates our JttCotE recording sessions... which weren't until JUNE 1971.
On my two disc set, the Opera/NDD is disc one, which could also be confusing.
Don't even get me started on why America refused to embrace the worldwide systems of metric measurement, especially when it always seemed to work very well for money here.
BTW, it is 21 degrees here and snowing, while gasoline remains at over $3 a gallon!
]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:26:34 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1048&title=early-rtf#1048 Early RTF : Jerry I have this set list. ... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1047&title=early-rtf#1047 Author: Wayne
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 18:57

Jerry I have this set list.

1.                  5/15/1971: 85 Minutes Ludwig George’sGymnasium Darmstadt. Germany 1st Generation Upgrade

Cd - 1TabIn The Ocean, We Are The Ocean, Lonely Roads, We Are The Ocean Reprise, Rock And Roll Over, 1-2-3-4, Do You Believe In Magic,

Cd- 2 JTCE**
 






Originally posted by jerry1970 jerry1970 wrote:

Mick, that is a different LGG Darmstadt from May 1971 or do I not have the complete show?

Oh wait, on setlist.fm I see this for 1971-03-15 LGG and apparently *I* added it (so it must be on my external hard drive, I don't have it on CDR):

1. A Drop In The Ocean
2. We Are The Ocean
3. Walking Down Lonely Roads
4. 1-2-3-4
5. Journey To The Centre Of The Eye

Two 1971 LGG shows: March 15 and May 15... Is this correct, Mick? If your "disc 2, track 3" is correct, my setlist for March 15 is far from complete.

]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:57:48 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1047&title=early-rtf#1047 Early RTF : Thanks GuysIt was the 1972/04/14show... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1046&title=early-rtf#1046 Author: Wayne
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 18:51

Thanks Guys

It was the 1972/04/14show I was looking for.  Too bad the sound quality is awful!

1.                 4/14/72: (1-Cd) Stadthalle -Heidelberg, Germany 70 Minutes Poor Sound
A.     CRYING IN THE DARK, KING OF TWILIGHT
B.      Returning Light  (W/DIFFERENTAND LONG INSTRUMENTAL INTRO & W/VOCALS),
C.     JIMI JAM W/VOCALS(JAM BASED ON THE MR. H SEGMENT OF A DAY IN THE LIFE OF A PREACHER,
D.      A TAB IN THE OCEAN,
E.      1-2-3-4
F.      ,DO YOU BELIEVE INMAGIC?
 

]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:51:11 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1046&title=early-rtf#1046 Early RTF : Mick, that is a different LGG... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1045&title=early-rtf#1045 Author: jerry1970
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/29/2012 at 02:03

Mick, that is a different LGG Darmstadt from May 1971 or do I not have the complete show?

Oh wait, on setlist.fm I see this for 1971-03-15 LGG and apparently *I* added it (so it must be on my external hard drive, I don't have it on CDR):

1. A Drop In The Ocean
2. We Are The Ocean
3. Walking Down Lonely Roads
4. 1-2-3-4
5. Journey To The Centre Of The Eye

Two 1971 LGG shows: March 15 and May 15... Is this correct, Mick? If your "disc 2, track 3" is correct, my setlist for March 15 is far from complete.

]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 02:03:55 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1045&title=early-rtf#1045 Early RTF : O.K. , not so fast Wayne... There... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1044&title=early-rtf#1044 Author: MickBee
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 22:29

O.K. , not so fast Wayne... There IS an early "Lonely Roads" within the "We are the Ocean" section (Disc 2, Track 3) on  LGG Darmstadt from May 1971. This may be what you are referring to Jerry. I also let it continue into a rather interesting 1-2-3-4.  Darmstadt was "home turf", thus most recordings made around Darmstadt in the early seventies usually contained experimental new pieces & long jams.
Nektar ALWAYS brought something new or different to the table whenever we returned to an area.
]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:29:38 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1044&title=early-rtf#1044 Early RTF : We can rule out the one that had... http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1043&title=early-rtf#1043 Author: Wayne
Subject: 157
Posted: Dec/28/2012 at 11:51

We can rule out the one that had the early bluebird song that was inside of the We Are The Ocean song.
]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:51:08 +0000 http://www.thenektarproject.com/geewiz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=157&PID=1043&title=early-rtf#1043